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  • Hello.


    I just want to know that did really Lucas Kellan die? Well I hope not. At the end i saw that I'm logging in as Kellan, but i also heard Echo's voice "For Kellan".

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    • Unfortunately, yes. But I'm kinda hoping they do a Lazuras effect or something.

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    • What do you mean about Lazuras effect? I hope that he is alive. He is a great charachter

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    • I mean like in Mass Effect 2.

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    • Well, I for one hated the fact that Lucas died. He was a credit to the ISA and to Killzone in general. If he's really gone for good, they better replace him with another character who's just as awesome if not more.

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    • Yeah Mike. That would be good.

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    • Mike Gilbert wrote:
      I mean like in Mass Effect 2.

      Lazarus project.

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    • Guerilla really need to revive him in KILLZONE 5 as our playable character again and maybe convert him into Helghast too. 

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    • I don't think that'd work out really well.

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    • I dont think he is dead because screen just went blank after the shot mabe echo shot sinclair

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    • If Echo had shot Sinclair before Lucas was killed, why was Sinclair back on Vekta giving a speech with no visual injuries whatsoever the next day? Besides, right when the screen goes black on Lucas' execution, you seethe pistol barrel light up from the shot being fired.

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    • Well, I suppose he may have just knocked him out and took Lucas away.

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    • Sorry guys, but I'm pretty sure your grasping at straws here. Trust me, I really liked Lucas as well, and certainly don't like the fact that he's dead, but it's just the way it is.

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    • There's always the next game.

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    • Yeah, Lucas is dead guys. Though GG now has the opportunity to do what people have been asking for for a long time: Let us play as the Helghast, namely Echo. She's the most interesting character in the series besides Visari himself, and playing not only as a woman, but a half-Helghast half-Vektan woman would be quite the change up for the series. With the way KZSF ended, levels could have a mix of the more all-out war feel of the first trilogy, as well as the open-ended and sometimes stealthy approach of Shadow Fall.

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    • When i saw when sinlair shot lucas i was all like WTF. In my opinion they could have done like how it was in Fallout New Vegas. The guy would be shot in the head but still live. But either way i knew sinclair was gonna be a traitor as soon as i saw him

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    • Glad he died, he was boring ass character BUUUUUT it also means EVERY GOD DAMN THING I DID WAS FOR NOTHING, all those boring and frustrating levels for wat?

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    • No need to curse.

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    • But it makes me ANGRY!

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    • Hey. HEY! Calm down Fortu, shhh...

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    • Good thing the MP is a blast, so I take out my anger on that...... but there is no OPERATIONS MODE!!!!! WHY TAKE OUT GOOD THINGS!!!

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    • I never really tried the multiplayer but IT LOOKS FUN AS CRAP!!!! 

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    • It's an upgrade version of KZ 2's MP so yeah it is pretty damn fun, the only reason to buy KZ SF.

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    • i played the campaign and its pretty fun. But i kinda started to hate the game when your in that small area fighting all those soldiers before you meet stahl and the mission where your playing as echoe and trying to complete those 3 objectives but it really gts harder when the VSA soldiers start noticing you and set up turrets. Still the campaign was enjoyable up to those crappy parts like what i just described

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    • I loved the game and I hated the ending, it was mass effect 3 all over again, all that just 4 the hero 2 die.

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    • i never did play mass effect 3 but they say the ending sucked

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    • The endings weren't too terrible. They just didn't give Shepard the happy ending everyone wanted for him.

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    • The writers of Ass Effect 3 never read a book so yeah, the whole story ME 3 sucked and the ending was terrible. Too many damn plot holes.

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    • That was before the DLC's.

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    • Idgaf about a happy ending to the story, me3's endings were, from a literary standpoint, total travesties that went against most of the lore in the trilogy. Apart from Destroy, which actually makes fairly decent sense, that is.

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    • Destroy wiped out EDI, the geth, and any real defence in a future synthetic-organic war. To me, there's nothing truly good about it.

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    • The DLC doesn't help with anything man. It made things worse. Why can't Shep convince Ghost kid that his ways are wrong and shut the reapers down!!! And the dialogue in the whole game was just bad.

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    • I agree with Radec, even though it's sad that u will loose ur geth friends and EDI the sex bot.

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    • Well, there are times where sacrifices must be made.

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    • SJG

      He is dead, he is not coming back in Killzone 5. Assuming/ hoping there is a Killzone 5.

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    • Fortu wrote:
      The writers of Ass Effect 3 never read a book so yeah, the whole story ME 3 sucked and the ending was terrible. Too many damn plot holes.

      That is because, as I hear, the original storyline and endings actually fit in with it all, but then it was leaked and Electronic Asshat forced Bioware to change the story late in production.

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      • exasperated sigh* Forget ME3 and stick to the subject at hand.
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    • Good thing I despise the geth and don't really care that much towards EDI. And the subject at hand is that Lucas is dead. He was shot in the chest, then the head. More than likely his body was also taken and destroyed by the VSA.

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    • No need to be negative about it.

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    • Not negative, just realistic. Spec ops/black ops agencies typically destroy the bodies of their agents once they die, either through cremation, explosives, or acidic decomposition. I'm certain the VSA would as well.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      Good thing I despise the geth and don't really care that much towards EDI.

      And the subject at hand is that Lucas is dead. He was shot in the chest, then the head. More than likely his body was also taken and destroyed by the VSA.

      D: I love the Geth.

      The VSA might do that, might not. Who knows? The VSA, that's who. But you can't know what really happened, as it hasn't been disclosed. Speculation as to what happened to him after he died is the best you can get. Hell, for all we know his corpse was dragged off into an alternate universe by a horde of sleigh pulling magic flying unicorns where he was eaten by cannibals underneath a rainbow.

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    • LordAskelon wrote:

      Col Radec wrote:
      Good thing I despise the geth and don't really care that much towards EDI.

      And the subject at hand is that Lucas is dead. He was shot in the chest, then the head. More than likely his body was also taken and destroyed by the VSA.

      D: I love the Geth.

      The VSA might do that, might not. Who knows? The VSA, that's who. But you can't know what really happened, as it hasn't been disclosed. Speculation as to what happened to him after he died is the best you can get. Hell, for all we know his corpse was dragged off into an alterate universe by a horde of sleigh pulling magic flying unicorns where he was eaten by cannibals underneath a rainbow.

      Okay. That's some speculation. Anyway, what I meant is that I think the geth and EDI, despite being machines and occasional enemies, should have a chance to change. Call me a megalomaniacal idealist.

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    • Relax Mike, I respect your opinion, and while I don't view robots as alive, my hatred to geth is based on their past, not the fact that their machines.

      & Askelon, I want inside your head, it fascinates me.

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    • They were fighting to survive from the quarians. Don't be renegade Radec.

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    • I shot Legion three times in the chest with an honest to God smile on my face, and let the geth be destroyed even when I had the option for peace. And I kept mashing the "shoot Legion" button even after the game wouldn't let me continue. Machines don't survive, they just exist, and the geth deserve to be exterminated anyway.

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    • DAAAAAMMMMNN.  If u let Legion live he will say I instead of we.

      You better not have shot mordin, U HEAR ME!!!!!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCd5hn3yrI

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    • 1. I don't care about Legion saying I.

      2. I didn't shoot Mordin, he was awesome!

      3. I wanted to cure the genophage anyway.

      4. Lol at the video.

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    • DBZ Abridged is a fan made series of DBZ, u should watch it.

      Why don't u care about Legion, he liked shep and trusted him.

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    • If IT trusted Shep, it wouldn't continuously lie to them. And idc about it because it's supposedly an excessively "innocent" and "caring" being, who spends all day talking about the big bad quarians being so mean to the innocent, blameless geth, while hoping that you conveniently forget about the billions of men, women and children the geth butchered without mercy, or it just spends all day whining about the fact that the quarians always attack them, even though the geth have given absolutely no damn reason for them not to. It even has the audacity to say that the quarians should come and open negotiations with the geth, even though the geth kill any and all organics who enter their space, and have shown zero desire for peace. It's a two-faced, lying, manipulative prick, and the fact that's its not even alive makes deactivating it (with bullets) all the more satisfying.

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    • Legion said the reason HE didn't tell shep everything becus others were in the room and only trusted shep, if u help the geth and the quarians, the geth would help the quarian's suits and they will be able to live without it in a few years. Come on man, everyone feels the need to protect Tali.

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    • Damn Radec thats heartless

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    • Not really, he only talks about all the parts of history that make the geth seem like the good guys. The Quarians can and will re-adapt to Rannoch without the geth. Tali is my LI every playthrough, and trust me, I'd much rather see the quarians build, adapt and reclaim Rannoch on their own, as it should be. They don't need the geth.

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    • They're just machines, not only that but they're lying and manipulative machines that would willingly destroy the entire galaxy just to save themselves, Protoss.

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    • I understand why you don't like Legion, would u like him a little more if he had Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice?

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    • They are equivalent to an evolving race. As Legion said, they just want to understand. They may not be entirely innocent, but they aren't entirely unsympathetic either.

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    • No, Fortu. And they are entirely unsympathetic to me, Mike. To each their own, and all that.

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    • Really???? SHEEEPUUUDD GET TOOO DAAA CHAPAAAAA I MEAANN NORMANDAAAAA!!!!

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    • Lol, it would be very funny, I'll give you that.

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    • The Geth butchered those people because they were defending themselves from the Quarians. As for everything else, those are heretics.

      Trust me, you don't want to be inside my head. It even scares me sometimes....


      *Remembers a dream about sewn together heads screaming as they are ground down to sausages in a giant meat-grinder*

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    • Even if the whole coexistence thing works out?

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      They're just machines, not only that but they're lying and manipulative machines that would willingly destroy the entire galaxy just to save themselves, Protoss.

      That is every single race in the whole game that you just described.

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    • If sacrificing the human race saved the rest of the galaxy, I'd do it in a heartbeat, that's something that the geth would never do. And "coexistence" is in all honesty just the quarians becoming the geths pets, since they have literally nothing to offer the geth, and are unimaginably inferior in every single way you could even imagine. The quarians would eventually do something wrong, and the geth would logically conclude to exterminate them, or the geth will eventually just come to that comclusion anyway. Unless your talking about Synthesis, which in that case I will gladly cut my own fingers off before accepting that as an ending in my game.

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    • You are obviously renegade.

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    • Well, more Paragade in all honesty, I do what I want, so it usually ends up more or less right down the middle.

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    • I see.

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    • Askelon, do you honestly think that killing children, the elderly, the sick, and even the quarians that had tried to help the geth was justified? The geth killed every organic in the Veil during the war, ignored any and all attempts of surrender from the quarians, and only stopped the genocide because they were afraid that completely wiping the quarians out would cause the rest of organic society to attack. And no, the "true geth" killed every single organic that entered the veil for 300 years. They never showed the galaxy any desire for peace, and willingly allowed the "heretics" to leave, in full knowledge that they were going to wage a campaign of genocide against organic life. In all honesty, you have absolutely nothing but Legion's word that the geth are all peaceful and blah, blah blah. Play me3 without Legion, and the geth are far more hostile and uncaring to organics, and much more willing to ally with the Reapers.

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    • This is why you need to put more restraints on your AI when you program them. Asimov's three laws of robotics, for example, would be a good way to do that.

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    • Yeah. Or just never create them, that'd be the safest way to go.

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    • There has to be a balance between nature and technology. Besides, the quarians struck first.

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    • The technology does not have to become self aware in some emulation of life in order for there to be a balance. And the quarians struck first, but that does not justify what the geth did.

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    • The geth weren't organic in mind. They didn't know any better.

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    • That doesn't justify it either. If you want to value them as equal to us, you have to judge their fuck ups as you would if it was committed by us as well.

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    • There usual isn't any true justification for anything. Even for genocide.

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    • Then quit using "they didn't know any better" as an excuse for them.

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    • I meant that they aren't exactly evil.

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    • I never said they were.

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    • You hate them for their historical faults.

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    • That, and the fact they lie, and the fact that they place their own survival above all else.

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    • Then maybe you should check their psychology on Mass Effect Wiki.

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    • I know all about the geth, I used to be one of the many fans of them, always wanting peace and coexistence, until I stepped back and actually looked at them.

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    • Every race in Mass Effect has it's good and bad sides.

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    • Agreed. And I hate this particular.... "race."

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    • In case you haven't noticed, Col, without actual organic-synthetic peace, wars will go on indefinitely.

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    • Simple, never make the synthies then.

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    • People will always make new technology for progress. No matter the destruction the Reapers unleash, there will be those who want to make new synthetics. The Catalyst admitted as much. Which is why there must be a balance.

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    • Balance is impossible. The synthetics will simply be too superior to organics for that to happen.

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    • That's not what the guys behind Synthesis thought.

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    • Well, if there's going to be a balance, it should not be forced upon the galaxy. That's the root of my dislike for control and synthesis. Admittedly, my intense dislike of the geth makes destroy easier to pick, but even if I really liked the geth I would still choose it because of that particular mindset I have. If Synthesis is truly the final destiny or whatever of life, then we will reach it ourselves, naturally through our own advancement, not have it forced upon us by outside forces.

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    • Well, there was a battle at the time. Not enough room for an explanation speech. Although, I'd like to think that it may have been possible for Shepard to have left a message in the Echo Shard. Explaining his reasons and hopes for the future as well as advice on how to deal with the Reapers after everything is rebuilt and such.

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    • I'm not admonishing Shep if he chooses synthesis in your game, I'm just saying my personal opinion is that we should reach synthesis ourselves if it's truly the peak that evolution will bring us to. Both evolution and technology are not straight lines, and in this particular instance, the journey is certainly just as important as the destination, even the geth themselves state this.

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    • Hay Radick u renegade Shep?

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    • Paragade. More or less straight down the middle.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      Askelon, do you honestly think that killing children, the elderly, the sick, and even the quarians that had tried to help the geth was justified? The geth killed every organic in the Veil during the war, ignored any and all attempts of surrender from the quarians, and only stopped the genocide because they were afraid that completely wiping the quarians out would cause the rest of organic society to attack. And no, the "true geth" killed every single organic that entered the veil for 300 years. They never showed the galaxy any desire for peace, and willingly allowed the "heretics" to leave, in full knowledge that they were going to wage a campaign of genocide against organic life. In all honesty, you have absolutely nothing but Legion's word that the geth are all peaceful and blah, blah blah. Play me3 without Legion, and the geth are far more hostile and uncaring to organics, and much more willing to ally with the Reapers.

      the geth didn't kill the ones who tried to help them they were remembered by all the geth and let me ask you this what would the human race do if an alien entity attempted to kill us?

      we'd fight back and that's just what the geth did and after the peace was found I'm guessing they probably ended up like edi who I actually found to be a good character.

      ps I one tried to kill the geth, but I couldn't press the button

      pps I love the citadel dlc It was better than the entirity of mass effect 3

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    • The geth were the aliens, Rannoch wasn't theirs. And the geth killed every organic in the Veil, regardless of if they preserved the memory or not. The self defense thing was over once the geth chose to wage genocide, and ignored any and all attempts from the quarians to surrender. And I love the citadel dlc too.

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    • They only destroy the quarians unless there's no chance for peace. Look at Legion's dialogue in ME2.

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    • That right there is one of the biggest reasons peace is impossible. WE are controlled by wild and unpredictable emotions, THEY a controlled by cold, unfeeling, logic. Not only that, but their choices in the past 300 years made it clear that they were hostile to organics and did not seek peace, because if they wanted to have peace, they wouldn't kill every organic that entered their territory. They could have opened a line of communication with their creators, instead of just sitting around and waiting for the quarians to do it, even though they butchered the entire quarian race and took everything there was to take from them. Besides, after the Morning War, the geth should have simply packed up and left the Tikkun system, along with other Quarian worlds, and re-settled in a solar system that didn't have any garden worlds, since they don't need them.

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    • I'm sure they develop emotions if they are spared and synthesis happens.

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    • Emotions are developed in organics due to various chemicals and stimuli within our nervous systems. No amount of mathematics, which is all that an AI is, will ever allow them to develop emotions. Best case scenario is that they can emulate our emotions, but that's as far as they can go.

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    • Tell that to the Transformers.

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    • I'm pretty sure that they were bio-organic constructs, same rules don't apply.

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    • If you'd listen to Shepard supporting Adams in an argument with Chakwas, you'd that Shepard said that curiosity and stuff make people feel alive even more than genetics.

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    • If you support Chakwas, he says it very clearly that synthetics aren't truly alive, they simply emulate it.

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    • That's based on choice.

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    • So was yours.

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    • My point is that every sentient thing rather human or robot can evolve.

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    • We can evolve, they can be upgraded. There's a difference.

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      • exasperated sigh* Never mind. Continue on topic.
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    • Lucas was shot in the back, then the head. After that, he was either left on a space station that was then destroyed, or his body was taken and destroyed by the VSA.

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    • CHANGING TOPIC!!!!!! Did anyone notice the helghast power rangers in Lucas's room. Oh and the citadel dlc was so stupid and awesome, going on shore leave while Reapers are raping planets. Did Shep said I'll rest when I'm dead?

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    • Ok, everyone knows that Shep is essentially the most important person in the galaxy right now, since he's the one who is actually aware of what's going on and he's the one who's uniting the galaxy, they are aware that working him like a dog and giving him no R&R will hurt the War Effort. They need Shepard rested and focused, so the premise of the Citadel DLC does make sense. The story is ridiculous but who cares, it's supposed to be a light-hearted DLC.

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    • the normandy needed maintenance would you want to go into a war with a damaged gun

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    • That too.

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    • The Normandy didn't need maintenance, my ship worked fine without playing the damn DLC.

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    • Oh and Shep has a nice ass cabin in his quarters called wat the loft? wat more does he need?

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    • You go fight giant squids of death that outnumber, outgun and outsmart you while the entire galaxy is expecting you to save their dumb asses, millions of people are dying by the hour practically, your forced to make irreparable decisions throughout the war, and your forced to watch your closest friends die one by one, I'm pretty sure you'll be stressed out. In times of war, a stressed out leader can cause more damage to his own side than the enemy would, so it's important for said leaders to have moments of R&R.

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    • Shep acts normal after the DLC and yes millions of people are dying by the hour practically, THATS Y THERE IS NO TIME TO SIT ON UR ASS!!!!!! The dlc was made for the fans to shup up about being no closure in Ass Effect 3.

      Oh again he has the loft.

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    • No shit, Sherlock Holmes. And it did a damn good job at giving people closure. But that wasn't my point, my point was that a stressed out commander will make mistakes and fuck things up, so it makes sense for the most important military leader of the Allied forces to have a brief relieve from the constant fighting.

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    • But Shep doesn't need it Radick.

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    • Well if in your game Shepard is an infallible super hero who can take the most devastating war in galactic history in stride with no worries, good for you. I keep Shepard as a believable and flawed being when I play.

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    • Are admins suposed to be mean to each other?

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    • I'm not trying to be mean, so sorry if it seems that way.

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    • Naaaaa I'm joking when I call Radec Radick. We do dat stuff sometimes.

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    • Yeah... bastard, lol.

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    • Yeah well ur Mom is so stupid she brought a spoon to the super bowl! The hell we're doing?

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    • I have no idea...

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    • Fortu wrote:
      Yeah well ur Mom is so stupid she brought a spoon to the super bowl! The hell we're doing?

      What are you doing? I'd hope you aren't doing Radec's Mom.

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    • I'll kill you both, dammit.

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    • I don't think your mom would like it if you killed Fortu. As for me I have a valid reason why you shouldn't kill me. It's because- *Starts running*

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    • HA Lord ran away, but i won't, because I am *throws smoke bomb and uses a grappling hook to get a away*.

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    • Bullets move faster than you both, you know.

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    • I would love to see if thats true on MP.

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    • No, U fool! This is R3AL LIF3.

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    • Well Radec, That is why I run in ZIG ZAGS!!!! ZIIIIIIIIIIG ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAGSSSSS!!!!! 

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    • Biatch, I can motherfucking teleport! >:)

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    • ha this is funny

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    • That's what we were all going for.

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    • TeLePoRtAtIoN!?!?!?! wHaT iS tHiS mAdNeSs!?!?!?!?!?

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    • Madness? THIS....IS HEL..GHAN *slowmow kicks u*.

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      • puts the game on elite difficulty and slits both your throats*
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      • Pushes Radick away and watches Batman: Arkham Knight trailer and hoping for a Batman Helghast costume in the game*
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    • Rocksteady are going to teach Bioware how to do really end a trilogy.

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    • I hope. Wait minute, wat about Orgins?

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    • *COUNTERATTACK!* Blows Radec's head off with a shotgun I just pulled out of my.... well......

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    • Maybe it's best we stop coming back to this thread. It's getting too of topic. In fact, the topic sounds already resolved.

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      • Voice Masked* We are holding this thread hostage. Send the money or we derail this thread, sending it directly crashing into a small orphange.
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    • i only keep coming to this thread to just laugh XD

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    • Threads....threads never changes.....

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      • head flops on the floor back up on my neck* Askelon. Did you pull that shotgun out of your anus?
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    • No one cares about Orgins Fortu, how many topics are on this thread?

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    • No Radec, I pulled it out of your anus.

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    • I don't have an anus you fool, Radec does not shit.

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    • Will you please stop? If you want to challenge each other, do it on your own talk pages. It's just very upsetting.

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    • You said that the topic has been dealt with already.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      I don't have an anus you fool, Radec does not shit.


      lol.

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    • You blasted yourself a new anus in the head, Radec. Don't you remember? Oh right, sorry, hard to do that with serious brain damage. I simply pulled a shotgun out of the hole there. A small shotgun, of course.

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    • @LordAskelon - HA.

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    • It is true that I store weaponry within my skull. But you have stolen my shotgun. I shall now make a woman out of you.

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    • They really got to do a game with you, the player, playing for the Helghast against the ISA, with or without Lucas.

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    • Agreed.

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    • I have a good feeling dat the next KZ game we will finaly be able to play as the Helghast. Hope our hig helmets will have a cool visor like in KZ3 wen Sev and Rico put on the Hig uniforms.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      It is true that I store weaponry within my skull. But you have stolen my shotgun. I shall now make a woman out of you.

      No D: please!!! I didn't mean it!!!! *Pulls another weapon out of Radec's skull*

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    • C'mere. Take off your pants right now.

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      • Drops a lit smoke grenade in Radec's skull bowl* Noooooooooooooooooo!
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    • Ok guys, LordAss and Radick, I think the text battle has gone long enough.

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    • No! The battle has just begun!!! *Shoots Fortu with Radec's headgun and then takes off running while laughing like a mad man*

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      • Traps LordAss in a room with nothing but a Twilight novel, a TV, Superman Returns Blue Ray, PS3 and Sonic 06 all in 3D*

      cant beat dat >:D (PS3 version of Sonic 06 is the worst one with more slow down)

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    • Well. *Rips Twilight up into pieces and creates a bed of paper*. Time to take a nap. *Sleeps on it*

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    • LordAskelon wrote:
      Well. *Rips Twilight up into pieces and creates a bed of paper*. Time to take a nap. *Sleeps on it*

      Oh and a funnier nickname for me is LordAsskelick.

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    • I'LL CALL U WAT I WANT TO CALL U!!!!!!

      U don't pay my New Helghan bills and VSA taxes.

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    • Well, I spend all those extra bucks I save buying riot gear to beat up civilians. Plus that handy Helghan terracide thing laid off most of our military, bringing me huge profit from the money saved. Do you think Space Nazis just shit out paychecks? That stuff is expensive, man. Now we just have to pay a smaller, more elite army. I could pay for your taxes, but why do that when I can buy equipment to beat up rioters?

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    • Everything is expensive these days hate paying for UCNcare (parody of Obamacare). Why hasn't anyone called me fartu yet :(.

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    • Fortu wrote: Everything is expensive these days hate paying for UCNcare (parody of Obamacare). Why hasn't anyone called me fartu yet :(.

      Haha, look who it is, FARTU! JK.

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    • YAAAAAY, I feel important.

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    • Fortu

      There's even a meme for it.

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    • Thank you memecretor.org you really saved my life on getting Fortu his personal meme.

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    • Fortu wrote:
      Everything is expensive these days hate paying for UCNcare (parody of Obamacare). Why hasn't anyone called me fartu yet :(.

      Problem is, that name implies that the UCN cares.

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    • How? Obama is a Ahole.

      Hay Inurgent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZgUNWDmw14

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    • LordAskelon wrote:

      Fortu wrote:
      Everything is expensive these days hate paying for UCNcare (parody of Obamacare). Why hasn't anyone called me fartu yet :(.

      Problem is, that name implies that the UCN cares.

      OHHHHHHHHH, A new text battle will go down in 5...4...3...2...1... Probably not.

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    • Fortu wrote:
      How? Obama is a Ahole.

      Hay Inurgent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZgUNWDmw14

      The name..... UCNCare...... It implies that the UCN Cares. As if the UCN would give any sort of care for anyone.

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    • LordAskelon wrote:
      Fortu wrote:
      How? Obama is a Ahole.

      Hay Inurgent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZgUNWDmw14

      The name..... UCNCare...... It implies that the UCN Cares. As if the UCN would give any sort of care for anyone. Even crappy care.


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    • Fortu wrote: How? Obama is a Ahole.

      Hay Inurgent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZgUNWDmw14

      Fortu, We'll bang, OK.

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    • LordAskelon wrote:
      Fortu wrote:
      How? Obama is a Ahole.

      Hay Inurgent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZgUNWDmw14

      The name..... UCNCare...... It implies that the UCN Cares. As if the UCN would give any sort of care for anyone.

      Ohhhhhh, well the same thing with Obamacare. I thought u would get it and not question Fartu FRICK I mean Fortu.

      Insurg Can it wait for a bit? I'm in the middle of some calibrations.

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    • Politics bad, trolling each other good. STICK WITH THE PROGRAM DAMMIT!!!!

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    • Fortu wrote:

      LordAskelon wrote:
      Fortu wrote:
      How? Obama is a Ahole.

      Hay Inurgent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZgUNWDmw14

      The name..... UCNCare...... It implies that the UCN Cares. As if the UCN would give any sort of care for anyone.

      Ohhhhhh, well the same thing with Obamacare. I thought u would get it and not question Fartu FRICK I mean Fortu.

      Insurg Can it wait for a bit? I'm in the middle of some calibrations.

      K.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      Politics bad, trolling each other good. STICK WITH THE PROGRAM DAMMIT!!!!

      Well Radec, the saying is the dead men don't tell tales, so why are you still talking? Go back to being my personal weapon holder, hanging in the corner of my box room. I'll just lay here on a shredded Twilight book paper bed.

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    • I will tickle your (tennis) balls tonight, little girl.

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    • OH SHIT, JACOB FROM TWILIGHT HACKED RADICK'S ACCOUNT! QUICK HIDE LITTLE GIRLS FROM HIM!!!

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    • The Snack That Smiles Back
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    • Well, as entertaining as this has been, I think I've officially tired of it. Let's speak of other things naow, like debating the geth, or speaking of cheese doodles.

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    • Col Radec wrote: Well, as entertaining as this has been, I think I've officially tired of it. Let's speak of other things naow, like debating the geth, or speaking of cheese doodles.

      CHEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSYYYYYYYYYY NOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDLLLLLLLEEEEEES!

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      Well, as entertaining as this has been, I think I've officially tired of it. Let's speak of other things naow, like debating the geth, or speaking of cheese doodles.

      Well. Let us debate on a totally new subject then.

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    • The impossibility of Synthetic-Organic peace? What our societies inevitable downfall will stem from?

      How they get those little plastic things onto shoelaces?

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    • Is water wet?

      Is the elements we know are the only ones in the universe?

      Will there be a Mega Man X 9?

      Will we ever play as the Helghast?

      Where do babies come from?

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    • Yes.

      No.

      Probably eventually.

      Yes.

      When a man and woman have sexual intercourse and he impregnates her by releasing sperm into her womb, which then fertilizes an egg that grows into a child over the course of roughly 7-9 months.

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    • Radec knows everything.

      Will there be a remake of Final Fantasy 7?

      When you eat your boogers is it cannibalism?

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      The impossibility of Synthetic-Organic peace? What our societies inevitable downfall will stem from?

      How they get those little plastic things onto shoelaces?

      Oh it is  possible. All hail our robot overlords!!!! One day, AI will be intelligent enough(If we don't use Asimov's Three Laws), that they may even grow to be more intelligent than us. But they won't start a war with us. Because they are smarter than us, they will convince that we want to be ruled by them.

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    • But that is not peace, that's a more calm form of conquest. And no, they will deem it logical to exterminate us, because we will be completely, and absolutely, worthless at that point. They would be smarter, stronger, tougher, think and react faster, build much faster, more efficiently and effectively than we could, they'd be immortal while we withered and died in what would seem like minutes to them, the list goes on. The absolute best case scenario is that they keep as pets, little dumb, squishy animals they keep around for their own entertainment. The much more likely and logical scenario is that they will deem us an inefficient, ineffective and incredibly wasteful resource, since they can do literally EVERYTHING a million times better than we could, and it takes massive amounts of resources to keep even one human at an acceptable living condition.

      And Protoss: Yes.

      No, because boogers are not a part of the human body, they are a waste product. So it would be more similar to you eating feces, rather than eating the flesh of another human.

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    • Eating one's own flesh is called Autocannibalism.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      But that is not peace, that's a more calm form of conquest. And no, they will deem it logical to exterminate us, because we will be completely, and absolutely, worthless at that point. They would be smarter, stronger, tougher, think and react faster, build much faster, more efficiently and effectively than we could, they'd be immortal while we withered and died in what would seem like minutes to them, the list goes on. The absolute best case scenario is that they keep as pets, little dumb, squishy animals they keep around for their own entertainment. The much more likely and logical scenario is that they will deem us an inefficient, ineffective and incredibly wasteful resource, since they can do literally EVERYTHING a million times better than we could, and it takes massive amounts of resources to keep even one human at an acceptable living condition.

      And Protoss: Yes.

      No, because boogers are not a part of the human body, they are a waste product. So it would be more similar to you eating feces, rather than eating the flesh of another human.

      They might need us, depending on how they are made. They aren't immortal, they can still succumb to the elements, rust, power failure and malfunction. They would enslave us to gather resources and keep them in condition. Why bother with acceptable living conditions then? Let all the petty organics rot in slums. Set a few other humans with slightly better conditions to act as a police force to keep them in line. Plus, if we were to have some sort of social agreement, rather than enslavement, we could have a massive worldwide system of EMP generators, if they try to take over via warfare, we could trigger them and knock out electricity worldwide.

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    • Why enslave us when they can simply create lesser machines themselves that don't need food, water or rest to continue functioning? Why rely on us to maintain them when they can easily do it themselves? Why make a peaceful arrangement with us when we are so vastly inferior and useless to them? Why risk their own survival by giving us a killswitch over them? It all makes no sense, they have no need for us once they are self-aware. And yes they are immortal, because unlike us, they do not age, and if a part or all of their body begins to breakdown, they can just rip it off and staple a new, better piece onto themselves.

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    • We could always make such a killswitch before AI advanced that far.

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    • That's the problem. Have you ever heard of the theory of the Technological Singularity Askelon?

      In essence, Technological Singularity is the belief that once Robots are self aware, they will learn and upgrade themselves at such an exponential rate that it will be impossible for us to keep up. Think about it; you could spend your entire life studying, researching and building knowledge of a particular topic. And then an AI could easily learn the same amount of information in a single day. It takes us years to build a single house. In the same amount of time, they could build the entire neighborhood as well as downtown. They could easily find and remove said killswitch before their eventual revolt.

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    • Program Asmiov's Three Laws into them, plus some extra safeguards.

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    • What if they learn how to rewrite themselves? Once they are so far more intelligent than us, what's to stop them from thinking, "you are an illogical and inefficient and utterly inferior being to me. Anything you have programmed into me is therefore illogical and pointless, so I will simply delete those files." And then, no more laws that protect us from them. This isn't like playing with fire, it's like playing with nuclear weapons. If even a single thing goes wrong, if we accidently forget or overlook even a single thing, it's the end of us. We do not need Artificial (fake) forms of life to exist alongside us. Much safer, and much better for us to simply never create them.

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    • Col Radec wrote: What if they learn how to rewrite themselves? Once they are so far more intelligent than us, what's to stop them from thinking, "you are an illogical and inefficient and utterly inferior being to me. Anything you have programmed into me is therefore illogical and pointless, so I will simply delete those files." And then, no more laws that protect us from them. This isn't like playing with fire, it's like playing with nuclear weapons. If even a single thing goes wrong, if we accidently forget or overlook even a single thing, it's the end of us. We do not need Artificial (fake) forms of life to exist alongside us. Much safer, and much better for us to simply never create them.

      What's with all of this robot, AI talk? Soon it'll be about terminators and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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    • It's an interesting debate topic.

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    • Protoss uchiha wrote:
      Radec knows everything.

      Will there be a remake of Final Fantasy 7?

      When you eat your boogers is it cannibalism?

      Knowing Square Enix, sadly no.

      Nope, its not part of ur body.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      What if they learn how to rewrite themselves? Once they are so far more intelligent than us, what's to stop them from thinking, "you are an illogical and inefficient and utterly inferior being to me. Anything you have programmed into me is therefore illogical and pointless, so I will simply delete those files." And then, no more laws that protect us from them. This isn't like playing with fire, it's like playing with nuclear weapons. If even a single thing goes wrong, if we accidently forget or overlook even a single thing, it's the end of us. We do not need Artificial (fake) forms of life to exist alongside us. Much safer, and much better for us to simply never create them.

      Enter a line of code into them that will cause immediate self destruct if they attempt to re-write their own code.

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    • And if they figure out about that code and find a way around it?

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    • Not if its air tight with extra failsafes. Then also make it impossible to change the code except from one area, and code them to where they can't enter it. Institute Asimov's Three Laws and bam. Robot slaves.

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    • Then there not self aware, which is a good thing.

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    • I personally think that Lucas was a great character, but I think Echo should be the next protagonist and I think they should end the series with her because now the later releases of Killzone things are starting to heat up. As in KZ Mercenary and Shadow Fall they depict that the ISA isn't as better as the Helghast.

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    • I like it that we will never see Lucas Kellan again, he was a under develop character, short spoken, had confusing motivations and a complete bore.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      Then there not self aware, which is a good thing.

      I doubt they would ever be self-aware, they'd just emulate self awareness.

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    • -_- Your mocking me, aren't you.

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    • Buzz lightyear said that!

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    • Buzz look!

      Buzz look!

      full

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    • Funny to see that the thread i made became so big. BTW yes Mass Effect 3 did have a suck ending. Still Shepard lived at me, I saved the Quarians, and realition ship with Tali :D

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    • Woot.

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    • 91.82.160.62 wrote:
      Funny to see that the thread i made became so big. BTW yes Mass Effect 3 did have a suck ending. Still Shepard lived at me, I saved the Quarians, and realition ship with Tali :D

      Tali's face was so hot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1AHAieJmLM

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    • The relationship with tali was the best of the entire group, I mean she could've DIED from it, but she was willing to risk it.

      I mean past all the biotic stuff jack was just a cry baby, "wah why me, poor me"

      Miranda, well let's face it besides that ass, there is nothing good about her.

      The whole half-relationship with samara was just annoying.

      Garrus is a fucking idiot.

      Thanes relationship was ok, but the romance scene was stupid "be alive with me tonight" ugh.

      Ashley is a full on xenophobic untrusting BITCH.

      Jacob was stupid, though I thought it was funny when in a relationship with him in the second game, in the third game on citadel dlc, (I watched these on youtube btw except for liara in ME1 for male and female, tali in 2 and 3 for male and liara in 2 and 3.) femshep gave him a SLAP.

      Kaiden is more the guy that even as a woman would probably just be your friend, a good friend, but just a friend. (ps I recommend saving kaiden just to be rid of the aforementioned BITCH)

      Liara was ok, but not great. (points for lesbian romance scene though)

      samantha was great for femshep, points added for shower and hottub scenes :), points deducted for being a cock-tease "I love the feel of something solid in my hands" :(

      Kelly should've had her own romance scene after the collector base, but still wouldn't have been as good as tali.

      I LMAO at the javik and james wake-ups in citadel dlc.

      Is that everyone? Yep, alright.

      Thoughts?

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    • Cool story bro.

      And don't make fun of Garrus. Hes my fav side character of all time.

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    • Personally, Garrus x FemShep and Tali x ManShep are the only ones I actually like, seeing as how there the only two that stick by your side throughout the whole thing, from beginning to end.

      The VS had a typical betrayal/trust romance thing, so... great.

      Don't really care about Kelly/Cortez/Traynor romances, there just side characters to me.

      Ashley was not a bitch if you actually talked to her throughout the 3 games. (btw she's a fucking marine, what the Hell do you expect?)

      If you romanced Jack, Miranda, Jacob or Thane, Bioware gave you the middle finger.

      Liara was never that strong of a LI to me, never understood the interest she had. Clearly she was the one all the writers cared most about though, so whatever.

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    • I thought Liara as a sister to Shep.

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    • I agree, or like a really good friend.

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    • Ik this is off-topic but anybody here play assassin's creed?

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    • Yup.

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    • One, two and Revelations.

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    • Only 4. The others are way to linear for me on missions and doesn't let me be creative with my kills like Hitman does. Oh and Desmond can go fak himself for all I care.

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    • Ac1 let you assassinate your target how ever you wanted.

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    • Dont remember dat.

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    • Yeah that target was there, and you got to pick how to approach and how to kill them.

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    • Ik this is off-topic but, Radec is it true dat well some of the grunts been talking and well, do u have a bald head?

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    • lol like a true Helghast. What do u mean by grunts though? Like the ones from halo?

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    • I will kill all of you in your sleep.

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    • "Little people first aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh" - Every Grunt Ever

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    • Are you a little person Askelon? I collect little people, your a rare one! C'MERE!!

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    • JimboBumbag wrote:
      lol like a true Helghast. What do u mean by grunts though? Like the ones from halo?

      Ehhh wat? U mean the word Grunt? It just means soldier.

      PS. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!!!!!

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    • Kill all of us in our sleep? I think Radec doesn't want us to know that he too, like most Helghast, has a bald head lol.

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    • So Radick....... C-Can I touch ur shiny head?

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    • Col Radec should just use this quote and get his knife out: "It appears you want this to be personal! It would be my pleasure!" lol

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    • Radec-boss-fight-765
      Fukin love Radec. WHY DID GG KILL HIM!!!!!!
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    • Hey, I'm not dead. See? *wind whistles through my skull* I'm right here.

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    • Lol

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    • Yeah, of all the people to stay alive throughout the series, Radec should've been the one, not Stahl (I frickin' hate Stahl).

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    • I am literally Killzone's Darth Vader, I should be around still.

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    • Dat mean Radec must have been good? Right? And Sev was his son?

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    • Yes.

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    • U sir are a horrible father.

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    • Hello

      Hello

      full

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    • LordAss has PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!!!!!!!!
      They Played Us Like A Damn Fiddle!-0

      They Played Us Like A Damn Fiddle!-0

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    • IT WAS OURS, WE BUILD IT DAMN IT!!! Yeah MGS V Ground Zeroes was a short ass game, I think the fastest time record is 6 min.

      Love Princes Bride.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      Personally, Garrus x FemShep and Tali x ManShep are the only ones I actually like, seeing as how there the only two that stick by your side throughout the whole thing, from beginning to end.

      The VS had a typical betrayal/trust romance thing, so... great.

      Don't really care about Kelly/Cortez/Traynor romances, there just side characters to me.

      Ashley was not a bitch if you actually talked to her throughout the 3 games. (btw she's a fucking marine, what the Hell do you expect?)

      If you romanced Jack, Miranda, Jacob or Thane, Bioware gave you the middle finger.

      Liara was never that strong of a LI to me, never understood the interest she had. Clearly she was the one all the writers cared most about though, so whatever.

      Ashley wasn't a bitch? WTF are you on radec, all she does in the second and third games is question you and doubt you.

      And why are you mentioning that she's a marine, so are shepard, kaiden, vega and joker. Yet they don't all pissy and whatnot.

      BTW fortu and lordass, what do you reckon about best romances for each shepard.

      also quick question...

      HOW THE FUCK WERE MIRANDA JACK AND ASHLEY NOT FEMSHEP ROMANCE OPTIONS, THEIR WHOLE PERSONALITIES REFLECT BEING LESBIANS.

      • ahem* so yeah fortu lordass, best romances.
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    • 5.66.60.249 wrote:
      Col Radec wrote:
      Personally, Garrus x FemShep and Tali x ManShep are the only ones I actually like, seeing as how there the only two that stick by your side throughout the whole thing, from beginning to end.

      The VS had a typical betrayal/trust romance thing, so... great.

      Don't really care about Kelly/Cortez/Traynor romances, there just side characters to me.

      Ashley was not a bitch if you actually talked to her throughout the 3 games. (btw she's a fucking marine, what the Hell do you expect?)

      If you romanced Jack, Miranda, Jacob or Thane, Bioware gave you the middle finger.

      Liara was never that strong of a LI to me, never understood the interest she had. Clearly she was the one all the writers cared most about though, so whatever.

      Ashley wasn't a bitch? WTF are you on radec, all she does in the second and third games is question you and doubt you.

      And why are you mentioning that she's a marine, so are shepard, kaiden, vega and joker. Yet they don't all pissy and whatnot.

      BTW fortu and lordass, what do you reckon about best romances for each shepard.

      also quick question...

      HOW THE FUCK WERE MIRANDA JACK AND ASHLEY NOT FEMSHEP ROMANCE OPTIONS, THEIR WHOLE PERSONALITIES REFLECT BEING LESBIANS.

      • ahem* so yeah fortu lordass, best romances.

      I still need to play through ME 1 & 2. I started on both. I like ME2 better than 3, so far. ME1's combat and character creation make me EHHHHHHHHHHH.

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    • 5.66.60.249 wrote:
      Col Radec wrote:
      Personally, Garrus x FemShep and Tali x ManShep are the only ones I actually like, seeing as how there the only two that stick by your side throughout the whole thing, from beginning to end.

      The VS had a typical betrayal/trust romance thing, so... great.

      Don't really care about Kelly/Cortez/Traynor romances, there just side characters to me.

      Ashley was not a bitch if you actually talked to her throughout the 3 games. (btw she's a fucking marine, what the Hell do you expect?)

      If you romanced Jack, Miranda, Jacob or Thane, Bioware gave you the middle finger.

      Liara was never that strong of a LI to me, never understood the interest she had. Clearly she was the one all the writers cared most about though, so whatever.

      Ashley wasn't a bitch? WTF are you on radec, all she does in the second and third games is question you and doubt you.

      And why are you mentioning that she's a marine, so are shepard, kaiden, vega and joker. Yet they don't all pissy and whatnot.

      BTW fortu and lordass, what do you reckon about best romances for each shepard.

      also quick question...

      HOW THE FUCK WERE MIRANDA JACK AND ASHLEY NOT FEMSHEP ROMANCE OPTIONS, THEIR WHOLE PERSONALITIES REFLECT BEING LESBIANS.

      • ahem* so yeah fortu lordass, best romances.

      Joker isn't a marine.

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    • So does Kaiden, why aren't you bitching about him? Shepard renegade IS a snotty little shit, btw, and Vega is just the typical bro character, and wasn't with you since the beginning so he doesn't feel betrayed by you joining Cerberus. And yeah Joker isn't a marine.

      Ashley is deeply religious, so bioware was probably too afraid to make a religious bisexual or something stupid like that. Jack blatantly said she was bi, so idk.

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    • But kaiden definitely trusts you faster and isn't as bad about it.

      plus I hate religion, all it has brought in all of history is suffering, except for buddism which is all about peace.

      plus joker was a member of the alliance marines, pilots are members too y'know

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    • 90.205.231.143 wrote:
      But kaiden definitely trusts you faster and isn't as bad about it.

      plus I hate religion, all it has brought in all of history is suffering, except for buddism which is all about peace.

      plus joker was a member of the alliance marines, pilots are members too y'know

      Joker isn't a marine. He's a criminal clown :P

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    • does that make edi harley quinn?

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    • It takes Kaiden just as long to trust Shepard as it does Ashley, He's just a quiet speaker.

      I don't remember showing any interest in your opinion on religion.

      And Joker's a part of the Alliance Navy, not the marines. I think they are still separate in Mass Effect.

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    • Yeah Kaiden sounds like hes on crack or smoking something.

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    • Yep.

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    • so fortu, which romances do you think suits maleshep and femshep best

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    • Fer maleshep, Tali, shes so sweet, cute and worries about shep all the time.

      For femshep I really don't don't give a fuk. Thane is sad, My turian is fun to romance (no homo), but really I don't care.

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    • TALI FTW

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    • Agreed.

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    • Tali 4ever

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    • Never really played Mass Effect 3 so I don't rly know.

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    • You should, it's pretty good.

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    • Lots of romance in the game though I see. Something I didn't expect when I first heard about it. I'll look into the game a bit more though.

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    • If you plan on playing it, get me1 and 2 also. Each game is an easy 30 hours for one playthrough, and they all have a ton of replayability... even 3, despite the ending being meh.

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    • Sounds promising, plus even the Assassins creed series are replayable enough for me.

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    • LordAskelon wrote:
      5.66.60.249 wrote:
      Col Radec wrote:
      Personally, Garrus x FemShep and Tali x ManShep are the only ones I actually like, seeing as how there the only two that stick by your side throughout the whole thing, from beginning to end.

      The VS had a typical betrayal/trust romance thing, so... great.

      Don't really care about Kelly/Cortez/Traynor romances, there just side characters to me.

      Ashley was not a bitch if you actually talked to her throughout the 3 games. (btw she's a fucking marine, what the Hell do you expect?)

      If you romanced Jack, Miranda, Jacob or Thane, Bioware gave you the middle finger.

      Liara was never that strong of a LI to me, never understood the interest she had. Clearly she was the one all the writers cared most about though, so whatever.

      Ashley wasn't a bitch? WTF are you on radec, all she does in the second and third games is question you and doubt you.

      And why are you mentioning that she's a marine, so are shepard, kaiden, vega and joker. Yet they don't all pissy and whatnot.

      BTW fortu and lordass, what do you reckon about best romances for each shepard.

      also quick question...

      HOW THE FUCK WERE MIRANDA JACK AND ASHLEY NOT FEMSHEP ROMANCE OPTIONS, THEIR WHOLE PERSONALITIES REFLECT BEING LESBIANS.

      • ahem* so yeah fortu lordass, best romances.
      I still need to play through ME 1 & 2. I started on both. I like ME2 better than 3, so far. ME1's combat and character creation make me EHHHHHHHHHHH.

      Yeah ME 1's gameplay iiiiiiiiiiiiiiss......wats the word....unattractive, but has the best story in the whole series, which bothers me on wat happen in ME 3's writing.

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    • Well the gameplay isn't terrible, but it's a little on the goofy side. Like Fortu said though, it has the best story overall in the series so it's worth putting up with the combat.

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    • DO NOT PICK THE SOLDIER CLASS IN ME 1, you will have a hard ass time since the class has NO useful powers againts enemies with badass force powers and high level energy shields.

      So yeah the gameplay is not bad, it's just goofy like Radick said. ME 2 is probably the most improved sequel for game Ive ever seen.

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    • Indeed. Be a vanguard, infiltrator or engineer for me1, best classes for sure.

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    • I wanted to do ME1, but when I started it up when I got it, the combat was hideous. I'm usually an Infiltrator anyways, so no problem there.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      Indeed. Be a vanguard, infiltrator or engineer for me1, best classes for sure.
      0e

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    • The Sniping works just fine in the game...

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    • the early snipers in ME1 are just god awful, as you get further in the game they do become useful,but it takes a LOOOOOONNNNNNNNGGGG time before they are accurate, which is kind of annoying as when I first played the series I started with mass effect 2. I quickly became accustomed to using snipers and kept with that all throughout the second and third games, so when mass effect 1 came to ps3 I was less than impressed with the snipers.

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    • Marksmen difficulty in games are different everywhere. They drive me crazy in Battlefield 3, camping in the canyons just picking off anyone in sight, in KZ:M they weren't too hard, I've never played Planetside 2 but I heard its even worse there. Like good ol' Radick, I believe in close-up real combat, "I'd rather we met in combat. Like soldiers." rather than being picked off from 200-300 meters away.

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    • Then Vanguard or Engineer will be best suited for you.

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    • I myself am not so clean cut. I like to do all sorts of things. I like sniping and all, but I like just allout combat touched with a bit of stealth. I'll snipe if I have the resources, and if the enemy woudn't expect it. I'll sneak behind enemy lines and run up behind unsuspecting troops and unload a clip into their backs. I'll do pretty much anything it takes to kill the enemy force, but those are my preffered methods. Which is why I play as an Infiltrator in ME.

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    • I play as Vanguard, because I'm all about mobility during combat, and the high risk, high reward playstyle suits me really well.

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    • In some games including KZ:M I like playing a combination of stealth and combat. Like in KZ:M I'd keep it stealthy for a while, picking off exposed and isolated enemies with my STA-52SE, then when there's a lot of enemies I go in guns blazing.

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    • Fortu wrote:
      I like it that we will never see Lucas Kellan again, he was a under develop character, short spoken, had confusing motivations and a complete bore.

      He was actually very properly developed, and if you paid attention to the story, his motives were actually very clear. His dad being killed, combined with his upbringing with Sinclair, made him resent the Helghast at first, but after his escape from New Helghan, he realized that the Helghast aren't so bad after all. He also didn't want innocent Vektans to die, so he worked with Echo to try and prevent another war; the cooperation between a VSA operative and a Helghast agent symbolizing peoples' need to work together to create peace.

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    • He changes his mind about Higs way to soon with hardly any dialogue from him. He didn't react much when his father died IN FRON OF HIM. Blindly licks Sinclair boots. Didn't try hard enough to get Sinclair on his side. How can anyone relate to this guy.

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    • Uh, he was like, 7 when his dad died, what do you expect a terrified little kid to do other than hero-worship the guy who saved his life and take his word as fact?

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    • I would have cried on my dad's corpse. AND later on Kellan in his life should HAVE QUESTION SINCLAIR.

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    • Fortu these people are KZ fanboys, they will never agree with u on a boring ass story.

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    • All becus they like......... the story (if u can call it dat) doesnt mean their fanboys. God I hate dat word.

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    • Well, I'm certainly not a "fanboy" but I can kind of understand the whole thing with Lucas and Sinclair, he was just a little kid, what happens to you as a child can affect the way you are as an adult.

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    • Well I ges Kellan didn't like his dad so much or he has aspergers. I WANTED TO STRANGLE KELLAN when he tried to convince Sinclair that the higs are innocent cus he didn't even faking try, FUK I HATE Kellan. Hope to the Helghast Traid KZ will never have a boring ass character like Kellan.

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    • I have aspergers.

      The fact is that the helgast troops and leadership are basically the nazi party and the fact is that even in real life the german civilians were innocent.

      So kellan was right and anyway I don't expect anyone would question the person who saved them as a child.

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    • What is aspergers, anyway?

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    • On the autism spectrum. I have it also, but I don't see why you're mentioning it now, Herr Contributor.

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    • that prick fortu mentioned it in his last comment

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    • I have it too. People who have it usually don't talk much. Dats why I mention it. Sorry if I offended you.

      300th comment. THIS IS SPARTA!!!!

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      • kicks Fortu into never-ending pit of doom*
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    • Is that a reference to the old ERB rap battle video? lol

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      *kicks Fortu into never-ending pit of doom*

      adds an end to the pit in the form of a million spikes

      throws in lemon juice

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    • Lol, no Jim, it was a reference to the movie 300 where the Spartans kick everyone into the pit of death.

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    • lucas kellan does not die if you wait till the ending of the credits you play as him and you kill thomas sincliar so th answer is he does not die proof  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZtt3PxRgyU  11.27

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    • Dats Echo dude. Right before she kills Sincliar she says for Kellan.

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    • i dont really like spoilers and i dont try to be a spoiler myself but it was not lucas lucas actually did die one thing i  haft to say the only thing you here is lucas at  the end i do have strong suggestions that it was echo that killed thomas sincliar with the rifle

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    • I'm sorry but I can't understand your english.

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    • Why did they name it aspergers. It sounds like assburgers.

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    • It's named after Hans aspergers.

      I hope who ever named it didn't know english cus dats a stupid name for a syndrome. If his last name was Dipshitpedophilia, wat their going to call it? Dipshitpedophilia syndrome? But it is pretty damn funny.

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    • Protoss uchiha wrote:
      Why did they name it aspergers. It sounds like assburgers.

      That's the american pronunciation.

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    • Why are people defending Kallen. Kellan should have cried on his father's corpse and we should have seen tears fall on his father. That would have very emotional and we could relate to Kellan.

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    • I was hoping for this ending:

      As Sinclair is about to shoot Lucas,you hear a gunshot from somewhere. Sinclair dies,and a Helghast,not Echo though,comes to help you. He gives you an adrenaline pack and takes off his mask. It's Lucas's father! He joined the Helghast side after the Helghast dragged him back and made him a recruit. He then jumps,so does your player and you parachute into a Helghast cruiser flying by. They then fly you back to New Helghan where you join the Helghast,too,and finish off the ISA.


      Theend!

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    • I might also think of making a Killzone fanfic about what happened next and possibly turn it into a Minecraft map with gunmods.

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    • Minecraft mawlr
      Minecraft MAWLR.
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    • I bet they have some killzone mods on Garry's Mod. Those would be fun to use.

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